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Poster: xtifr Date: Jan 28, 2004 9:59am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Sneak peak - details page

Agree on both points, also would prefer to download entire shows as flac (smaller, faster, and supported by my OS vendor, unlike shn). Also, I'm curious, if there is going to be id3 data for mp3s, is there going to be the equivant metadata provided for ogg and flac? (Ogg and flac use basically the same metadata format.)

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Jan 28, 2004 10:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Full shows in SHN (or FLAC) --> ZIP (and the messiness)

At the end of this week I'll be reviewing the possibility of making ZIPs of whole shows in SHN or FLAC. The problem is that the current method we're using for the SHNs and FLACs is on-the-fly, which users have had nothing but trouble with. Since the MP3s are small, we have no problem zipping them up and using double the storage space on the server. But the SHNs and FLACs are large, and doubling the storage space is more of a concern with that much data. Regardless, we'll discuss it here and see what can be done.

BTW, I am correct in assuming that the current on-the-fly ZIPping of SHNs and FLACs is not working well for most people, right? (No resume, frequent aborting of the downloads, etc.)

As far as messy goes, we'll probably decide that some of the MP3 formats are extraneous and cut them out, leaving the interface a bit cleaner.

Jon

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Poster: cavemike Date: Jan 30, 2004 1:42am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Full shows in SHN (or FLAC) --> ZIP (and the messiness)

All of the shows I have downloaded from LMA have been Shn's & Flac's through the ZIP option. I have never had a bit of trouble with incomplete downloads or the dl stopping in midstream.

Love this place,
Mike

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Poster: thebuddhist Date: Feb 4, 2004 5:13am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Full shows in SHN (or FLAC) --> ZIP (and the messiness)

The zip on the fly downloads of shn/flac work fine for me on T1 and also on Cable. This convenience MUST be kept, it's the only way I download shows from the archive. DL'ng individual tracks would be a pain in the arse.

[moderated to remove question about lossy formats: "thebuddhist": please read through the previous forum posts - this has been thoroughly discussed]

This post was modified by Jonathan Aizen on 2004-02-04 13:13:44

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbleblanc Date: Feb 4, 2004 6:04am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: ZIP

DL'ng individual tracks would be a pain in the arse.

FYI, most folks think that FTP works much better than the ZIP files for this (grabbing the whole show at once). Might want to try that too. If the download gets cut, you don't need to start over like you usually do with the ZIP files.

-Brad

This post was modified by bleblanc on 2004-02-04 14:04:42

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffTyler Date: Feb 4, 2004 9:08am
Forum: etree Subject: FTP

for what it is worth, i really liked the whole show zip files. I don't know about everyone else, but i kinda phased out my FTP use back when freecache started being used because at the time, the detrements of using the FTP side of it were:

1. slow downloads compared to the HTTP that freechace offered
2. FTP downloads didn't 'count' to the show's directory hit count

so are you suggesting a more shift back to the FTP side of it for the full shows? Speeds now should be identical with HTTP or FTP right? since the archive purchased more bandwidth and freecache has been phased out.

I think that if that is the decision made, not to have any links / files of the full loss-less shows on the details page, then some sort of PSA / Info should be posted directing people to FTP for the whole show, rather then the current 'tucked away' blurb about it in the bottom of the download options menu.

My person vote? I STRONGLY suggest we keep the on-the-fly .zip aspect of the full loss-less show. Putting the full show as a non-on the fly .zip file is unrealistic for space concerns, and it seems that most people (myself included) have never had problems with the on the fly .zip file.

True, if it errors we have to re-download, and that blows, but the option should be there for people to use. I think if we roll with the details pages the way they are now, with the only 'full show' options of two different mp3 bitrates and two different m3u streaming options, people will view those as the favored method of downloading, which they should NOT be. As we intended initially, these are supposed to be SUPPLEMENTAL, and not the main focus. I think we should not forget out loss-less goals and keep the zip file at least. If it is created on the fly, doesn't it cost the archive virtually nothing as far as utility cost of file space?

my two cents. I hope the zip comes back and stays! i loved it.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbleblanc Date: Feb 5, 2004 6:01am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: ZIP's and SmartFTP Selection Groups

so are you suggesting a more shift back to the FTP side of it for the full shows?

Nope, I was just pointing out to thebuddhist that the ZIP files weren't the only means of getting a whole show in one sitting.

Resuming downloads via HTTP has always been flaky for me. I don't know if the blame is my ISP, my browser, or my computer. (i'm pretty sure it isn't the Archive). As a result, I'm strictly an FTP user. I queue up 3 or 4 shows and let it fly overnight. I wake up and they're all done. I know there have been others with similar issues with the ZIP's.

I don't think we should get rid of the feature unless it's problematic for the site (having the choice is fine with me), but I do think people need to know that the ZIP files aren't the only option for getting the whole show without clicking on each track.


As for FTPing, that too is going to become cumbersome for users because they'll have to click every file, since the directory will contain all the formats (and we're keeping it flat, not making a subdirectory for each format).

Not necessarily. SmartFTP, for example, has a feature called "Selection Groups", that will automatically highlight only certain file types for you within a directory on the server.

For example, I created 2 of them. The first one is called SHN, and it automatically highlights all the files with the *.shn, *.md5, and *.txt extensions for me. The other one is called FLAC, and it automatically highlights all the *.flac, *.txt, *.ffp, and *.md5's for me. Keeps it short and sweet to get into those new show folders with tons of choices, highlight the stuff I want, and queue up another download.

You can create the "Selection Groups" by going to Tools > Settings > Selection Groups (under the General section). Try it out. Once they are created, they show up in your menu section under View > Selection Groups > (whatever you name them). SmartFTP even goes so far as to automatically give you shortcut key combos - like "CTRL+3" & "CTRL+4"!!!

Not too cumbersome anymore... SmartFTP rocks.

-Brad

This post was modified by bleblanc on 2004-02-05 14:01:01

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Poster: jmr3 Date: May 5, 2004 10:15pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: ZIP's and SmartFTP Selection Groups

I don't know about other ftp programs, but with Filezilla, you can sort the files in the directory by file type, so all the .shn files are together, then shift-click on the group of files so they're all highlighted and you're ready to go.

Also, isn't it possible to download the zip files through ftp? I'm trying that right now (slow connection so I won't know how it goes for a while). It seems to be resumable that way. Should I expect to have problems when I unzip it?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Feb 5, 2004 9:16am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: ZIP's and SmartFTP Selection Groups

Awesome!

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Poster: glenn Date: May 5, 2004 5:39pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: ZIP's and SmartFTP Selection Groups

I can't figure out _how_ to create the selection groups

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Poster: glenn Date: Jul 30, 2004 6:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: ZIP's and SmartFTP Selection Groups

to create selection groups in smartftp:

tools>settings>selectiongroups

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Feb 4, 2004 9:20am
Forum: etree Subject: On-the-fly ZIPs

The on-the-fly ZIPping won't really work with the new configuration. The software as we have it written just ZIPs a whole directory. Clearly this won't work when there are 8 different formats all in the same directory. We are still figuring out how to do this, so it'll either be on-the-fly ZIPs for the shows in the lossless format, or it'll be pregenerated, but either way they will be there.

As for FTPing, that too is going to become cumbersome for users because they'll have to click every file, since the directory will contain all the formats (and we're keeping it flat, not making a subdirectory for each format).

Jon

This post was modified by Jonathan Aizen on 2004-02-04 17:20:13

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Poster: Erich Date: Jan 28, 2004 2:48pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Full shows in SHN (or FLAC) --> ZIP (and the messiness)

are the shns and flacs both 16 bit? If so, thats just a waste of space. Same files. Is it possible to clarify the bit next to the flac column? easier referance.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffJonathan Aizen Date: Jan 30, 2004 1:50am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Full shows in SHN (or FLAC) --> ZIP (and the messiness)

Yes we can clarify the bit for the FLACs. The reason for making same bit FLACs from the SHNs is because FLAC is an emerging, open, standard that might overtake SHN as time goes on. Anyway, we're still in discussion about how to offer full show packages of SHN/FLAC files, so stay tuned.

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